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#1 Fred Itz

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 11:47 PM

How do I get a D Barre chord and keep my 3rd finger from muting my 4th string! And forget the E Bsrre's! I don' think I have enough joints in my fingers to make them bend far enough!

 

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 01:56 AM

Hi Fred. Can you play the A D F# notes with just your third finger?

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:09 AM

Thanks for the response, but I'm not sure I understand your question. What do you mean with just my third finger?  I'm working with an acoustic and an electric guitar. Sometimes I can keep my third finger from muting the 4th string on the electric, before my hand fatigues, but almost never on the acoustic. I also find myself pushing the 4th string up so I don't mute the 3rd string the times I do get it. I have been working on this for several months but don't seem to be making any progress.

 

Incidentally, I can get the F, Fm, F7, Fm7 & Fsus as well as all forms of the G & A chord, before my hand fatigues.

 

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:35 AM

Fred, you posted your question under Session 7. Did you mean to post it there or Session 8? If any of the Session 7 exercises include D or E chords, it's because you are supposed to use both barre and open chords for those exercises. I don't see any D or E barre chords in session 7 for the 6th string. Since you will be learning more barre chords in Session 8, you will be doing barre chords on the 5th string for D and E. Doing D & E barre chords on the 6th string is really far up the neck. If that's what you are doing, no wonder it's been difficult!


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:45 AM

I guess I misunderstood, since we learned all the notes of the 6th string in lesson 7 and the barre chords, I assumed that you should be able to make all the barre chord forms for all the 6th string notes! From what you are saying, that is not correct!  I only have to learn them for the F, G A, B & C forms? 

 

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:52 AM

Yes, Fred. When you get to Session 8 and learn those barre chords, it will be faster to jump from the 6th string to the 5th string with barre chords rather than to move all the way up the neck and back on the same string. The directions for the songs tell us to use open chords when possible and to mix in the barre chords. The specific exercises in session 7 don't include any D or E chords in either the original or bonus books. D & E are only included in the songs at the end of session 7 where it says to use open chords. 

 

Go back and try those songs using D and E open chords with barre chords for the others. See if those songs are easier for you. If so, you should be ready to move to session 8! 


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:57 AM

What a relief!! LOL :)  Thanks so much!!

 

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:13 PM

Fred, sorry I thought you were in session 8. I tried for years to play the 6th string D barre.I have large Hands and finally realized that the only way I was ever going to play it was by using my ring finger to catch the A and D notes.I have a guitar with a 26.5 scale length and it’s easier.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:17 PM

No worries, thanks for your input!

 

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:46 PM

What a relief!! LOL :)  Thanks so much!!

 

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Fred, sorry to burst your bubble :getlost:  but I disagree a little bit with what has been said.  Absolutely as you move up the neck it gets more difficult to squeeze the fingers in and play those barre chords, especially if you have chubby little fingers as I.  But the trade off is as you move up the neck it's easier to get the barres to ring clearly.  Conversely as you move down the neck towards the headstock it's more difficult to get those barres to ring out.  At the first fret I still struggle with F7banghead.gif :laugh:   But I can play it.

 

I think you should learn them both ways.  Whether, in a song, you play a chord as an open chord, a barre chord down towards the headstock or a barre chord up around 8-12th fret will be situational and depend on several factors, not the least important of which may be which chord you are coming from and going to.

 

If you sneak a peek ahead to S13 and look at Steve playing the C Blues, it is a standard 12 bar blues with a  I, IV, V chord progression (you'll learn about this).   Those chords are C, F G,  respectively.  He goes through the first time playing them as an open C7 then the F7 and G7 as 6th string barre chords..  Then the next time as all barre chords.  He starts with the C at the 8th fret 6th string.  He could, of course, then play the F7 and G7 again at the 1st and 3rd frets, respectively.  But he plays them as 5th string barre chords at the 8th and 10th frets.  And I know that you are asking about 6th sting chords but I think you'll see my point.  It is just more economical travel-wise to play them up the neck.  Yeah, I have to really squeeze the fingers to play that G at the 10th fret.

You can see this on the S13 video at about 33 minutes.

 

I think we will find down the road it is good to have both forms in our bag.  And the other benefit is that it forces us to learn the notes all the way up the neck on both strings.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:28 PM

@ Matonanjin 

 

Yes … , but do you think it’s a good idea to lay it on a Session 7 student?



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Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:28 PM

 

What a relief!! LOL :)  Thanks so much!!

 

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Fred, sorry to burst your bubble :getlost:  but I disagree a little bit with what has been said.  Absolutely as you move up the neck it gets more difficult to squeeze the fingers in and play those barre chords, especially if you have chubby little fingers as I.  But the trade off is as you move up the neck it's easier to get the barres to ring clearly.  Conversely as you move down the neck towards the headstock it's more difficult to get those barres to ring out.  At the first fret I still struggle with F7banghead.gif :laugh:   But I can play it.

 

I think you should learn them both ways.  Whether, in a song, you play a chord as an open chord, a barre chord down towards the headstock or a barre chord up around 8-12th fret will be situational and depend on several factors, not the least important of which may be which chord you are coming from and going to.

 

If you sneak a peek ahead to S13 and look at Steve playing the C Blues, it is a standard 12 bar blues with a  I, IV, V chord progression (you'll learn about this).   Those chords are C, F G,  respectively.  He goes through the first time playing them as an open C7 then the F7 and G7 as 6th string barre chords..  Then the next time as all barre chords.  He starts with the C at the 8th fret 6th string.  He could, of course, then play the F7 and G7 again at the 1st and 3rd frets, respectively.  But he plays them as 5th string barre chords at the 8th and 10th frets.  And I know that you are asking about 6th sting chords but I think you'll see my point.  It is just more economical travel-wise to play them up the neck.  Yeah, I have to really squeeze the fingers to play that G at the 10th fret.

You can see this on the S13 video at about 33 minutes.

 

I think we will find down the road it is good to have both forms in our bag.  And the other benefit is that it forces us to learn the notes all the way up the neck on both strings.

 

Well said, Matonanjin

 

I'll add few things here fred, barre chords will be a huge part of your playing, but dont let it hinder you from moving on to new sessions you will get them down in time. I use barre chords all the time or parts of them to give a different tone in a song when playing with other guitar players. Also, knowing where they are up and down neck is going to help when it comes time to solo. 

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#13 Fred Itz

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 01:27 AM

I appreciate everyones input. Getting stuck on a lesson is no fun, and I've been on lesson 7 for several months! At least I know how to form the chords even if they don't sound like music! I will keep working on them, but allow myself to move onto the next lesson. Now if someone can come up with a way to flatten out the crease in my finger where the D string loses contact with the fret board, that would be great! :(

 

Thanks to all

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 04:53 PM

I have the older styled LMG DVD.
When Steve plays barres above 7th fret, he typically uses the 2 finger double Barre chord form over cramming all the fingers in on the 5th string Barre chords which you'll learn in session 8.

I'll take a re-look at my session 13 videos to see what is talked about above
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 01:30 AM

C (7, m7 & sus) barre chords are still a problem! The D string is muted by my 4th finger or it falls into the crease on my index finger! Any suggestions?

 

Fred :(



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Posted 05 January 2018 - 06:08 AM

I had the same issue.  Try moving your first finger up a bit more so the tip hangs over the edge of the fretboard more... i.e. move your finger to a point where the crease is between strings, not directly over one.

 

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