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#1 Moonie

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 06:20 PM

I have been moving along quite nicely, a few snags here and there, and I expect I'll get over this one as well. I know about strengthening the index finger for barre chords and all, but I've noticed I'm pushing quite a bit on the back of the neck with my thumb. It's making things a little painful after awhile. Is my technique incorrect or what???


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:00 AM

Look at the video of Steve showing how you should just use your index finger to barre without your thumb. Also, make sure that you're elbow is pointing straight down to the floor. Next, instead of pressing down perpendicular to the strings, push down from the six string to the first. Don't know how else to explain that one.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:35 AM

It does take a while to build up the hand strength to do barre cords well. But you shouldnt have to squeeze the life out of the neck!Just enough gentle pressure to get a clear clean sound on all strings. If your guitar action (string height) is too high, it will be more difficult. You have some good guitars so a professional set up could do wonders for playability.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 02:55 PM

Try this technique:    

 

http://www.douglasniedt.com/TechTipLittleJennifersSecret.pdf

 



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 05:23 PM

Once your thumb tendon has taken a beating the only way to get it back is to have some therapy.

Mine has and I use an ultrasound unit to ease the pain in my thumb muscle.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:53 PM

It does take a while to build up the hand strength to do barre cords well. But you shouldnt have to squeeze the life out of the neck!Just enough gentle pressure to get a clear clean sound on all strings. If your guitar action (string height) is too high, it will be more difficult. You have some good guitars so a professional set up could do wonders for playability.

I've had all three of them set up, it's just me. I'm an old guy and I guess it's just gonna take a little longer. But I have the time to work on it!


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:56 PM

Once your thumb tendon has taken a beating the only way to get it back is to have some therapy.

Mine has and I use an ultrasound unit to ease the pain in my thumb muscle.

Hope I don't get that bad!! Haha!


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:07 PM

Steve says the strength comes from the finger; the thumb should just be a pivot point. The Barre Chord exercises are monster. You will probably never play a song which works Barre chords that much. Don't worry about it. You want to learn Barre Chords? Learn songs with Barre chords then you are forced to play them. 


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:18 PM

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#10 John Wells

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:00 PM

As you've discovered, playing barre chords with improper fretting mechanics leads to sore thumb. Take time to review the below youtube video and develop good habits. Lotsa luck.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj6pWHxu6NE



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:22 PM

Excellent youtube John!!! I wish I had seen it before Session 7. Now to break some old, bad habits.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 03:21 PM

As you've discovered, playing barre chords with improper fretting mechanics leads to sore thumb. Take time to review the below youtube video and develop good habits. Lotsa luck.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj6pWHxu6NE

 

Mr. Wells, this is not the first time you have either directly given, or linked to a piece of information that INSTANTLY made me a better player. just want to say THANK YOU. 

 

Just as the gentleman in the video says, so many of us forget about the most basic things that we learn on day one. The big thing for me here was not remembering to fret all of the notes as close to the frets as possible. I've been playing these Barre chords for almost a month now, and have made very little progress as far as getting them to ring clearly. I watched this video and immediately realized what I was doing. I was doing EXACTLY what he says. Playing too far from the fret and also pressing the hell out of the back of the neck with my thumb making my whole hand hurt. I just moved a little closer to the fret and now I'm golden!

 

Thanks again John. (and everybody else giving great info)


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 01:51 AM

Great Youtube video John Wells.   One of the best and most helpful barre chord vids I've watched.  I always thought my middle finger was just different than others and therefore I just had to learn how to play barres with the the knuckle flat.  Huge mistake.!!  I'll be with "Bob at SV" breaking some old habits now.  Thanks. 


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 12:56 PM

Happy to help. Okay, we can make barre chords. That's fine. I believe Sessions #7 and #8 are the crux of this course, and once we learn to make them, it's wise to go back and learn to use both 6th and 5th string barres in mix and match them with four, five, and six string chords. Of course, the three P's still apply. And then, fellow students, we come to Fingerstyle guitar, which will be difficult unless we've mastered barre chords, because fingerstyle is just playing chords arpeggio (one note at a time instead of strumming), and if each string isn't fretted just right, we get frustrated with "klunkers" in our arpeggios. I was so thrilled with Session #10 that I bought Steve's "Learn & Master Fingerstyle Guitar" course instead of going on to Session #11. Fingerstyle guitar is entirely different, and if you're inclined to favor playing this way, you set out in an entirely new direction. Many fingerstyle guitarists play the coffee houses, and there's always a demand for them. But if you're so inclined, better learn to keep that thumb on the peak of the neck, opposing your middle finger. In sum and substance, learning to play good guitar (solo, melody, or harmony) isn't easy, but the effort is worth it. We've come to the right place: Steve and Legacy. Lotsa luck.



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Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:41 PM

Happy to help. Okay, we can make barre chords. That's fine. I believe Sessions #7 and #8 are the crux of this course, and once we learn to make them, it's wise to go back and learn to use both 6th and 5th string barres in mix and match them with four, five, and six string chords. Of course, the three P's still apply. And then, fellow students, we come to Fingerstyle guitar, which will be difficult unless we've mastered barre chords, because fingerstyle is just playing chords arpeggio (one note at a time instead of strumming), and if each string isn't fretted just right, we get frustrated with "klunkers" in our arpeggios. I was so thrilled with Session #10 that I bought Steve's "Learn & Master Fingerstyle Guitar" course instead of going on to Session #11. Fingerstyle guitar is entirely different, and if you're inclined to favor playing this way, you set out in an entirely new direction. Many fingerstyle guitarists play the coffee houses, and there's always a demand for them. But if you're so inclined, better learn to keep that thumb on the peak of the neck, opposing your middle finger. In sum and substance, learning to play good guitar (solo, melody, or harmony) isn't easy, but the effort is worth it. We've come to the right place: Steve and Legacy. Lotsa luck.

 

I'm glad I came back to this topic to see the responses. More great insight from Mr. Wells. John, I always love hearing what you have to say, always great advice. 


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