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Difference between the Modes and Indian Raags

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#1 James Bose

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 09:38 AM

Please explain the difference between the different types of modes ( the church modes, the greek modes) and the relationship with the indian Raags.

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 06:05 PM

When you talk of "the church modes, the greek modes" I have no clue what you are talking about.  I have no more idea what "indian Raags" are.  When I think of modes I think of Mixolydian, Aeolian and other terms I can't pronounce.

 

Perhaps if you explain a little more someone else can help that understands better.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 08:09 PM

 Going to a Catholic Church when I was younger I guess I heard a lot of "church modes/Gregorian Chants" without knowing it. The western music of today must have originated from the  "church Modes." The Greek scales were confused with the church modes and somewhere along the line the modes took on the Greek names. Before that the church modes were just mode 1 mode 2 etc. Today I think  folks refer to the modern modes as "Church or Greek Modes" You probably need to find a music history book to sort out the origins.  See if  Charles Burney's History of Music is still around. I think you'll find a "Rats Nest." in medival music history if that's what your looking for.

 


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 12:38 AM

I think this is a better question for Steve Krenz.


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 05:15 AM

Hi everyone!
I came across the Hindustani classical music of India which includes some kind of musical mode which sounded a bit different. I had the idea that modes are scales within a major scale starting and ending with same notes!
Example: In C major the ionian would be C to C, dorian would be D to D, phrygian would be E to E and so on.

But i'm really confused when they say we are in C major scale playing Dorian D to D using E flat and B flat.
I have gone through lot articles for it increased my confusion!
The last article i read is given below!

https://www.earmaste...hapter-6-3.html

Really need some help!
Thanks for participating in this discussion!

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 03:32 PM

 Sorry, I thought you were wondering about there beginnings. These sites might be of more of what you are looking for. 

 

 

https://www.ultimate...earn_modes.html

 

http://gosk.com/scal...-for-guitar.php

 

https://tamingthesax....com/jazz-modes

 

http://dl.guitarworl...f/gw_nov_ss.pdf


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#7 James Bose

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:51 PM

[https://community.le...ce/#entry354821] [Dissonant and Consonance - Music Theory - Guitar - Learn and Master Community] is good,have a look at it!

https://tamingthesax....com/jazz-modes

Thanks a lot for all your time giving me the those links!
I have gone through all this stuffs and found the above links of yours to be more helpful in clearing up my doubts!

#8 James Bose

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:56 PM

I think Steve should have a separate session to help all of us.
Would be glad if he gets the chance to look into all this stuffs and give his perspective!

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 05:41 PM

I still can't pronounce "Aeolian" :laugh:


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 01:10 AM

That's one of the two simple ones. Its pronounced  "minor scale."


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