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#1 John S.

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:30 PM

Hi,

I am really getting very, very  frustrated with barre chords. After about 4 months I can play each barre chord quite well on both my electric and acoustic guitars. The problem is the speed in forming the chords and transitioning.

In the bonus workshop exercises for example I can't keep up in the slightest with Steve. He finishes the exercise and starts the next one meanwhile I'm still on the second measure of the first set! Same goes with playing tunes I know,...no problem with open chords but throw in a barre chord and the music stops while the fingers find their positions.

Any suggestions? Should I go on to Session 8 and expect that the speed will come in time?

 

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:36 PM

I would go ahead and move to session 8.  Four months is definitely long enough.   The 5th string barre chords are hard as well.  You might as well get these memorized and then work on the speed. I had exactly the same experience as you.  I just use the metronome and work on the speed on my own.

There are many in exactly the same situation as you! We will keep practising! 


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:39 PM

Thanks Scott, helps to know i'm not alone in my frustration.

 

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:42 PM

Yep, move on..... it takes a long time (for some of us) to develop those muscles that are required to make a barre chord.  There is much to be learned and much more to be frustrated over than sticking with just one problem area.  I WOULD suggest you develop a drill or use one of the lesson drills to stay in practice.  If you do not develop those muscles in the fingers, hand, wrist, and arm, they will NEVER develop.  Plus you will be working on the finger position and movement.

 

Got to have 'em.  No way around it.  Just dump the frustration and move on.

 

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 08:20 PM

It took me a year to finish Session 7 and 8. So, it's normal to be slow when you start.

 

If you take your time enough, we you will be a lot better when you start Session 9.

 

IMOO, Session 9 is an another milestone.


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 02:04 AM

John, it will take time, possibly much more than you initially thought. Meanwhile, find songs that you enjoy with the problem chords or changes. This will give you incentive to practice them.

 

Session 8, with 5th string barre chords, is not easier. It can certainly be studied alongside 7, but as Pat points out: “Got to have ‘em. No way around it.”

 

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#7 Jim26

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 09:45 AM

Sessions 7 and 8 require a lot of patience, practice and time. I agree with Diane. I also bought Hal Leonard's  Barre Chords book. It's a supplement to their Guitar Method series of books and found it helpful. Others on the forum have used and recommended it.  I enjoyed playing the songs on the CD that came with it.

 

Learning barre chords is well worth the time and effort it requires.

 

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 12:20 PM

John lot of great advice.. for me only, sometimes I just stick to the song books I know and it makes me feel good to know I can do something and try and add what I need.. I too have been frustrated many times on chord changes etc. But like all have said and encouraged.. keep practicing and one day a light goes off. Also for me sometimes when I see or have someone show me something a little different learning method, I finally get it.  


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 12:53 PM

I agree with Ron. Presently, I am learning Session 7 and yes it is difficult and frustrating. Rather than blindly plowing along

with the exercises till the sense of failure starts creeping in, I switch to the songs.

 

Nothing is better for the confidence when you play a song well. After a few songs, try the barre chords again.

 

It seems to work for me as I keep relaxed.

 

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Posted 28 January 2016 - 03:56 AM

Hey my friend, try to relax and try this song : http://www.justingui...620-FlyAway.php

 

You will learn the hard way how much progress you made.

 

There's only one 5th string barre chord inside that song.


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 01:25 PM

John, understandable frustration and a normal reaction. Mixing barre chords in with regular chords was my approach in developing timing. And I never believed that speed was more important than timing. Start the gnome at a comfortable speed, get your tapping in sync with the gnome, then turn it off and listen to your foot. Play quarter notes at first and gradually include eighth notes. Consistency in chord progressions with inclusion of barre chords is the key. The big lesson in Session 7 is the development  of patience with your increasing ability, so stop looking at the calendar. Annex Session 8 while you gain that consistency and come back to tell us how you overcame your frustration after you've overcome it. We understand. Lotsa luck.


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 04:53 PM

John, understandable frustration and a normal reaction. Mixing barre chords in with regular chords was my approach in developing timing. And I never believed that speed was more important than timing. Start the gnome at a comfortable speed, get your tapping in sync with the gnome, then turn it off and listen to your foot. Play quarter notes at first and gradually include eighth notes. Consistency in chord progressions with inclusion of barre chords is the key. The big lesson in Session 7 is the development  of patience with your increasing ability, so stop looking at the calendar. Annex Session 8 while you gain that consistency and come back to tell us how you overcame your frustration after you've overcome it. We understand. Lotsa luck.

 

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Posted 28 January 2016 - 05:28 PM

John S., frustration with barre chords is an absolute normal reaction and part of the "trial by fire" that is called learning guitar.  If you look at any of the posters here in your thread that have his/her current L&MG session status in the signature and is beyond 7 (scooter745, Pat, d2_racing, DianeB, myself), we share your pain.  In fact, I'm in 10 and revisiting barre chord hell! banghead.gif   I thought I had barre chords better than I did and now reworking them.  (I am just having issues way up/down? the neck with the Bminor at the 2nd fret so don't get scared!  :biggrin1: )  Barre chords are not a few month learning project.  They are a few year learning project while you master other skills.

 

Reread John's (JWELLS) post. His advice is exactly the opposite of what I did.  I spent too long on 7 & 8.  I wish I would have read his advice last year. 

 

Then, like John suggested, come back and tell us how you're doing.


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 06:35 PM

Hal Leonard's Barre Chord book did the trick for me. It not only gives you drills but also combines that with the rhythm playing from Sessions 5 & 6 in L & M G. Too bad, I took a long time off from guitar to get better at Ukulele. I definitely lost the muscle that I developed from my barre chords. I almost had them down. And, yes, they took me a long time. You don't have to play an entire song with barre chords. Just sprinkle them in. Here is what I did besides the above - I took songs from previous lessons like Amazing Grace and switched from open chords to barre chords. Hope this helps.

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Posted 28 January 2016 - 08:54 PM

Frustration wil come and go. You stated that you can play barre chords clearly so you know you can do it. It will take time to make barre chord changes quickly, I have been playing them for about 4 years and still work on them almost daily. The song Crazy as done by Willie Nelson uses a B Bb and Fm and C C# D in a barre form with open chords.  As quilter mentioned this type of song really helps with the changes.

 

Also after the song practice the chord changes 10 to 20 times.



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Posted 29 January 2016 - 08:20 PM

Thanks everyone, a lot of reasonable and wise advice. I appreciate you all taking time out to address my frustration.

 

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Posted 31 January 2016 - 01:49 PM

Found that the eagles song "it's your world now" is not only a beautiful song but good exercise.  There is a bridge where you go from F to FM then C twice, then Am to E twice then D to D7. then back to chorus which is G7, C, Dm.  It's the most fun time in my workouts.

 

Guitar gathering video by Steve K on seven steps to learning unfamiliar chords is terrific imho

 

picked up the Leonard Barre book on everyone's advice--this forum is encouraging and therefore very helpful.

 

 

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:31 PM

I started session 7 last October, I have good days and bad days, some days I seem to get all the notes crisp and clear and the next day is like I am just starting.

 

I am having problems getting a good crisp sound the further down the fretboard I go.

 

At the nut I can get my finger on the edge, as I move down my finger gets flatter making it harder to create the barre.

 

I would like to move on, but not sure if I should till I have mastered this.


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 08:54 PM

JWells told you all. The more you play the more you realize that timing is everything, not speed. You get people tapping their feet @ 60bpm, it's far more important than ripping a solo @ 160 that's off ... It's the rhythm and the silence inbetween that matters as much as the notes you put into the air ...

 

Read the tips on guitar setup, hunker down on exercises, takes months to get the barrees comfortably down, the technique is difficult & e'one tries to 'muscle' the guitar around first. Do not follow the "small girl tips" and push with right elbow to create pressure. Will kill your technique long-term ...



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Posted 06 March 2016 - 02:44 PM

i'm feeling the impasse like everyone, been on seven for 2 months. initially my wrist ached.  new symptom my thumb gets numb during "sittin on the dock"  any ideas hand postion wrong or normal growing pain?


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