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#1 BunkSquawk

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

Hi everyone, any insight anyone can offer me is appreciated.  After a long time debating, researching, etc.  I decided I'm going to swap out the stock pu's (which are better than I usually expect for stock) on my Ibanez AS-73 semi-hollow with a set of Stew-Mac Golden Age Parsons Street Humbuckers.  Though I don't fully understand how pickups work, I notice every demo I find of these pickups has the Alnico 5 in the neck postion and the Alnico 2 in the bridge postion.  Seems to be a popular way to use these.  Can anyone shed some light on what the differences in sound would be if I put the Alnico 2 in the neck position and the 5 in the bridge position?  Or if I used an Alnico 2 in both positions or a 5 in both positions?  Thanks for any input anyone has.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

Alinico 5 is a stronger magnet than the Alinico 2 thus a hotter pickup for the 5.

 

I would think you typically put the Alinico 5 in the Bridge and the Alinico 2 in the neck.

This would typically give you a lead boost in the bridge pickup.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

cool, thanks Eracer.  You know, from what i was reading on an ibanez forum it seemed like the 2 was more apt for the neck and the 5 for the bridge, but then the actual demos I found elsewhere had the opposite so it confused me.  For the pair it's just over 100 dollars.  Not sure how much it will cost to have them installed, but i'm ordering Greg's setup/maintenance course at the end of the month, and it'll be at least another month till I get the pickups, so hopefully he'll cover how to install pickups on the video.   Then I'll be free to play around with it as I see fit.  Thanks for the help :)


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

It's a bit more complicated than that. The manufacturer should list each pickup's DC resistance (also sometimes called 'output') in the pickup specs. The magnet type does affect output, but not as much as the number of winds of wire that the pickup contains. Typically, as in almost always, the pickup with the higher number goes in the bridge position. Why? Because the plucked strings move more over the neck pickup than the bridge pickup. You need more output at the bridge to compensate. So choose based upon the output, not the magnet type.

 

For instance, the neck humbucker in my Shecter Solo-6 Custom has a 7.53K DC resistance and an Alnico 5 magnet, while the bridge has a whopping 14.4K DC resistance and an alnico 2 magnet.

 

Seymour Duncan's website has great information on pickup wiring, magnet selection, output, etc. Start here:

http://www.seymourdu...tanding_output/



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

awesome, thanks caufield, much appreciated!


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

wow great link, thanks again.  just browsed it now b/c i have to go to work, but i'll spend some quality time there tonight. 


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

Just a note about Greg's Guitar Setup and Maintenance Course.  This does not cover swapping pickups.

 

I would recommend Greg's course for the Setup aspects, but would recommend Dan Erlewine's "How to make your electric Guitar Play Great" book for info on the wiring of new pickups.  This also comes with a DVD that has a short session on wiring a Strat.  This would give you some pointers to what to do on your guitar, although not specific instructions for your model.

 

I've done a couple of pickup replacements and guitar rewiring jobs, and so long as you are reasonably handy with a soldering iron, and can follow a simple wiring diagram, then you should be fine.  If you have no experience with either soldering or wiring diagrams, it might be best to look for someone to do the job for you.

 

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

Thanks mark, appreciate that info.  I have no experience with soldering but am willing to learn.  I'll look into that video for a future purchase, just ordering greg's course with my upcoming paycheck and unfortunately (or fortunately) I have a five page list of music gear/videos/books etc that I want to get lol.
Caufield:  That link is great, thanks again.  I listened to all the sound samples of the duncan pickups as well as doing the technical reading.  I really liked the Seth Lover pu's, and a couple of others.  More expensive than what I originally was looking into, but I liked it much better based on sound samples.  I may wind up ordering and changing one humbucker at a time instead of doing them both at once for price reasons.

 


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

Thanks mark, appreciate that info.  I have no experience with soldering but am willing to learn.  I'll look into that video for a future purchase, just ordering greg's course with my upcoming paycheck and unfortunately (or fortunately) I have a five page list of music gear/videos/books etc that I want to get lol.
Caufield:  That link is great, thanks again.  I listened to all the sound samples of the duncan pickups as well as doing the technical reading.  I really liked the Seth Lover pu's, and a couple of others.  More expensive than what I originally was looking into, but I liked it much better based on sound samples.  I may wind up ordering and changing one humbucker at a time instead of doing them both at once for price reasons.

 

Glad to help.

 

Be careful of the Seth Lover's. They're not wax potted so they can be susceptible to microphonic squeal (not feedback, but ear-splitting squeal) if you turn your amp up too loud. Agree they sound great at lower volume, though.






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